From owner-sc22wg5+sc22wg5-dom9=www.open-std.org@open-std.org Wed May 13 23:00:26 2026 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sc22wg5-dom9 Delivered-To: sc22wg5-dom9@www.open-std.org Received: by www.open-std.org (Postfix, from userid 521) id D9739356DE1; Wed, 13 May 2026 23:00:26 +0200 (CEST) Delivered-To: sc22wg5@open-std.org Received: from mail-qk1-f173.google.com (mail-qk1-f173.google.com [209.85.222.173]) by www.open-std.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A04356882 for ; Wed, 13 May 2026 23:00:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail-qk1-f173.google.com with SMTP id af79cd13be357-8cb40149037so673465485a.2 for ; Wed, 13 May 2026 14:00:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=stevelionel.com; s=google; t=1778706025; x=1779310825; darn=open-std.org; h=subject:from:to:content-language:user-agent:mime-version:date :message-id:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=UPcqJL+PTRlCn2dhheGNRoFHUcjTwTVnDjVduZWCRyI=; b=LIAKcWlO73oHJfECTRJfemOcGpvNnGJ4epHuh41+MPdYWI9g/N6Wjn612Zyt+/gZp7 SXkZSYEQ/sj77yk18tm9gO5LmCgG7y0eRJ5ZLkJ2e41hdBIdHDUqIf9eW5HLcTZUOhom myBM9rG0Z0meS9TxEPYz75Gl7P7JL0cgaMyGo= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20251104; t=1778706025; x=1779310825; h=subject:from:to:content-language:user-agent:mime-version:date :message-id:x-gm-gg:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=UPcqJL+PTRlCn2dhheGNRoFHUcjTwTVnDjVduZWCRyI=; b=JCgsuTlyPHyUlc2PGSAdPIu/6u5KBgAYEWL+mSzO5r1zKAjK1h2GEn7hNQpuba1xbY O2fEcctJvQHWq1kXA+YxcMVb1LaKhAcoOT7FUgkAiZRvh8yKvZr82G7vEti08ZqCHB1Y TT9hJadMemshd0G8soV9PilBi/gIPMThYP9e0ik/zbSyhc/l7AnkZeMcFE0AK50g09g2 7b/5sxcAxGJXx4mI3z6JIeMZCoANVcvQL/xlw81PJgzBNYIX4ZFmOPNnoX5wRygJsYwM 8J3Nj4w9t9YPOm/shdQJZMwI24ZTR2x5anELBVBrzwmifypMtageUUsugDrRRwbngl8O 9ZOg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwOFJh0FznR4p79OpOcJGADsx60fkoIx1hx0wtAe0ILzaxABADM vA26Ydb8fQ+PcYG8PfhKVNxiDPtmeYESqey8vn0b0/TVc5qIOwS21TZUWWx/0JdxzbL/W8Pewc4 EQ2CP X-Gm-Gg: Acq92OE8GaNA0Qjt7jRtseFWmKaOV4zza9BZ4asIX2OjxLurfn53xlXoy9iZhYgpum4 lxPYyLxwFKVGOK0Ra63/sVgCVVzn32vMjVJ2/jEW/KIGj9QMJh66TsJPz4tBdrKOG/FeqXZkpNj 5reIyIu+C0gM+FaAgHz/u8zs3q58ffYdK7fyPDGE2JQ8Hj9zNdxvoDjq0HbLCRh4pfL8ECjEwoC CH51yzAbbTwBvDMuVcAwo5ajanwmEIvLg7mkWzux/FzU/yD6uBS3xpRmUdvGDYa88KtJQz8sBwc +x5AuKAuOtpeYtbNPXuVyORo/RqIatfJRNruYLSd1raez0iBIHvKrcwV0wvLuV9himn6vaoPpmN 0Ufg10k1bauC5/yhkFPpaakzohhz3hohSOIVu9OubOrCxqbiXm0DUt4PG3WFS+C14YQFd5eKigJ Y5SYtf2jUJUEBRxLzttbE66XemeOrp9amL5achPJ+g1End X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:472a:b0:8cd:9b31:23b1 with SMTP id af79cd13be357-90f8b7b8f32mr780788585a.53.1778706019833; Wed, 13 May 2026 14:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.50.238] ([216.212.3.233]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id af79cd13be357-910bc83f926sm63011885a.30.2026.05.13.14.00.18 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 13 May 2026 14:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------dv0hwjkAIeCaB0NKlMBQOWRP" Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 May 2026 17:00:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Betterbird (Windows) Content-Language: en-US To: WG5 List From: Steve Lionel Subject: ISO Directives changes related to meeting types X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Sender: owner-sc22wg5@open-std.org Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------dv0hwjkAIeCaB0NKlMBQOWRP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello again all, As a follow-up to my earlier email about the updated ISO directives coming out later this year, Makki noticed a change that concerned him (rightfully so): Change 14: Meeting rules are consolidated and timelines are standardized What’s changing All meeting-related rules are brought together in a single clause, with updated timelines. • One consolidated framework for planning, running, and reporting meetings •Only two meeting formats: face-to-face and virtual • Standardized deadlines for agendas, documents, and reporting One could interpret this as disallowing hybrid meetings, which would be a serious problem for WG5, so I asked David Keaton what it meant. He replied:      Every type of meeting that is currently allowed will continue to be allowed; they are just changing the names.  In the new directives, there will be two base types: *  Face-to-face, and *  Virtual. However, the face-to-face type will be subdivided into two categories: *  Face-to-face, and *  Face-to-face with remote participation. The latter is what we have been calling hybrid.      The rules are that if the meeting is virtual, you have to redo a vote if a technology failure prevented someone from participating and they request a revote, but if the meeting is face-to-face with remote participation, the remote aspect is best-effort, and the meeting does not have to make any accommodations for technology glitches.      I'm not sure why they decided to rename things.  I think it simplified the text in the new Directives.  In any case, it is only a renaming, not a change to what is allowed. With a big sigh of relief... 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Hello again all,

As a follow-up to my earlier email about the updated ISO directives coming out later this year, Makki noticed a change that concerned him (rightfully so):

Change 14: Meeting rules are consolidated and timelines are standardized

What’s changing
All meeting-related rules are brought together in a single clause, with updated timelines.
• One consolidated framework for planning, running, and reporting meetings
• Only two meeting formats: face-to-face and virtual
• Standardized deadlines for agendas, documents, and reporting

One could interpret this as disallowing hybrid meetings, which would be a serious problem for WG5, so I asked David Keaton what it meant. He replied:

     Every type of meeting that is currently allowed will continue to be allowed; they are just changing the names.

 In the new directives, there will be two base types:

*  Face-to-face, and

*  Virtual.

However, the face-to-face type will be subdivided into two categories:

*  Face-to-face, and

*  Face-to-face with remote participation.

The latter is what we have been calling hybrid.

     The rules are that if the meeting is virtual, you have to redo a vote if a technology failure prevented someone from participating and they request a revote, but if the meeting is face-to-face with remote participation, the remote aspect is best-effort, and the meeting does not have to make any accommodations for technology glitches.

     I'm not sure why they decided to rename things.  I think it simplified the text in the new Directives.  In any case, it is only a renaming, not a change to what is allowed.

With a big sigh of relief...

Steve

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